Miraculous certainly does this justice…

From this past weekend in Division III College Football…

Hercules they sure ain’t…

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Just found this… Fantastic…

“That got us 9/11…”

So, earlier tonight I mentioned to my mother what Rudy Giuliani said in Iowa Wednesday night:

Asked at a community meeting here whether he considered waterboarding torture, Mr. Giuliani said: “It depends on how it’s done. It depends on the circumstances. It depends on who does it.”

He went on to say that the way the practice had been described in news reports — “particularly in the liberal media” — he did not believe it should be allowed. But he expressed doubts about whether it had been described accurately.

“America should not allow torture,” Mr. Giuliani said. “But America should engage in aggressive questioning of Islamic terrorists who are arrested or who are apprehended.”

“The line between the two is very delicate and very difficult,” he said. “But we can’t abandon aggressive questioning of people who are intent on coming here to kill us.”

Mr. Giuliani noted that torture violates the Geneva Convention. “There is a distinction, sometimes, when you’re dealing with terrorists,” he said. “You may have to use means that are a little tougher.”

Quite a few people have written short and to the point analysis of this:

What the United States is doing isn’t torture because it’s the United States doing it. I suspect this is the way a lot of torture apologists feel, but give Giuliani credit for being (I think) the first to come out and say it.

–Chris Orr, The New Republic

I think what that means is that if the Iranians were to waterboard a captured US pilot it would be torture but if the Americans were to waterboard a captured Iranian intelligence officer it would not. Such is the moral clarity of our times.

–Alex Massie, The Debatable Land

Back to what I started this story with, I mentioned Giuliani’s statement, and my mom nodded her head and said, “That’s about right.” I was astonished… I returned with some of these ideas, and the concept that torture is torture, no matter who we’re dealing with or what they may want to do to us. She said I need to “live in the real world”, which seems a rather vague thing to say, as best as I can tell, I do live in the real world. “These people are trying to kill us…” “…they use these techniques on our people, slitting throats, things like that.”

Then came the cherry on the cake; as she shuffled off I mentioned that we need to take the moral high ground and not torture people our government arbitrarily describes as “terrorists”. Her response? You guessed it…

“That got us 9/11…”

What the fuck is going on with this country right now…

“…from behind those empty walls…”

Brilliant video imho…

Serj Tankian - Empty Walls

Empty walls
Empty walls
Pretentious adventures
Dismissive apprehention
Dont waste your time
On coffins today
When we decline
from the confines of our mind
Dont waste your time
On coffins today

Dont you see their bodies burning
Desolate and full of yearning
Dying of anticipation
Choking from intoxication
Dont you see their bodies burning
Desolate and full of yearning
Dying of anticipation
Choking from intoxication
I want you to be left behind those empty walls
Told you to see from behind those empty walls

Empty walls
When we decline
from the confines of our mind
Dont waste your time
On coffins today

Dont you see their bodies burning
Desolate and full of yearning
Dying of anticipation
Chocing from intoxication
Dont you see their bodies burning
Desolate and full of yearning
Dying of anticipation
Choking from intoxication
I want you to be left behind those empty walls
Told you to see from behind those empty walls
I want you to be left behind those empty walls
I told you to see from behind those empty walls
from behind those empty walls
from behind those empty walls
the walls
from behind those empty walls

I loved you yesterday,
(From behind those empty walls…)
Before you killed my family,
(From behind those empty walls, the walls…)

Don’t you see their bodies burning?
Desolate and full of yearning,
Dying of anticipation,
Choking from intoxication,
Don’t you see their bodies burning,
Desolate and full of yearning,
(I want you…)
Dying of anticipation,
Choking from intoxication,
(To be left behind those empty…)
I want you to be left behind those empty walls,
Told you to see from behind those empty walls,
(Desolate and full of yearning, Dying of anticipation, Choking from intoxication…)
Want you to be left behind those empty walls,
(Don’t you see their bodies burning? Desolate and full of yearning, Dying of anticipation, Choking from intoxication…)
I told you to see from behind those empty walls,

(Fuck your empty walls, fuck your empty walls)
From behind those empty walls,
(Fuck your empty walls, fuck your empty walls)
From behind those fucking walls,
(Fuck your empty walls, fuck your empty walls)
From behind those goddamn walls,
Those walls!
Those walls!

Send condolences to fellow OiNKers…

A sad day… Still in shock to be honest… (Yes I knew this day would come, but still shocking that it came today…)

R.I.P.

Sometimes it’s just too easy

Caption suggestions?

RP with the iP…

No real reason, other than it’s kinda sweet… I wonder if he asked the handler who gave him the phone where he should talk and where he should listen… “Is this right?” Old people are funny sometimes…

FNC is f’ing crazy…. as usual…

If you haven’t checked out the new Daily Show site, check it out… Every episode since 1999 will be up eventually… no full-screen, but still… great stuff…